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Speakers: D = David Mason, C = Client



S mm:ss Dialogue Comment
D 5:25 What we work on is based on a theory of the brain - how people understand things... when you dream, you always dream in pictures, don't you? There are never any words or sounds, but pictures, and these pictures are all metaphors - do you know what a metaphor is, in English? Orientation
C 5:45 A metaphor, yes.  
D 5:47 And a always is a symbol that represents something else. Clarification
C 5:50 OK  
D 5:52 This is something that has been known for thousands of years, that we think in symbols, but quite recently there has been a scientific movement that has learned that if you change the symbols you change the mind.... it's only been realised recently that if we change the metaphor it actually changes how your mind structures your reality. Validating the method to the client
C 6:25 Mmmm  
D 6:26 I would like you tell me what comes to mind, what images or feelings you get in your body, when I ask you to think about your problems. I will then get you to explore and expand these images as if they are real. It sounds a bit mad but it does actually work. I would like to try that, just explore it and see where it goes. It's possible you will actually go into hypnosis while we do this, because usually when I ask people to start thinking about the metaphor I can see their eyes sliding away and they start imagining and very soon just .... (waves hands) it's over here now and off they go somewhere in their mind.... Outlining the procedure

Indirect suggestion to go into trance
D 7:00 In your case you don't like to relax because you are very vigilant ...we may actually get round that... and as soon as I can get you to be hypnotised....then all sort of things are possible. OK? Yes Set question 1
C 7:12 Yeah...  
D 7:13 So that's where we are going, that's what I would like to do. Yes Set question 2
C 7:14 Yeah  
D 7:25 (picks up clipboard) So as you are talking I will take notes, OK? And we'll just see where things go. Yes Set question 3
C 7:30 Yeah...  
D 7:55 So thinking about all the problems that you have ... and so on...what is it that you would like to have fixed, what are the feelings that you have that you don't want or things you can't do....? Define the target behaviour
C 8:12 No response  
D 8:17 What is it that you think is most important for you to change in your life? Define the target behaviour
C 8:33 [long pause] Well I think that my habits being very...are very deep....are still very deep....I am no safe with my addiction.....with my addiction in general... I am very... contra .... you know...  
D 8:59 [mis-hears] You feel you are very controlling? Clarification
C 9:02 (softly)My addictions are very... control me.  
D 9:04 Your addictions are controlling you? Clarification
D 9:07 So when your addictions are controlling you, what is that like? to be controlled by that? Seeking metaphor 1
C 9:17 I can't able.... my volition like stopped....I can eh...I am stuck. I feel stuck, you know?  
D 9:30 You feel stuck? Restating
C 9:31 Yeah  
D 9:33 OK, and what kind of stuck is that? What is it like being stuck? Seeking metaphor 2
C   (no response)  
D 9:40 Being stuck is like....? Seeking metaphor 3
C 9:41 Yeah I am no progress....No progress... spiritually, you know?  
D 9:49 OK, so you are stuck and no progress ...and when you are stuck and stopped and no progress, what is that like, what does it look like? What do you see when you think of that? Seeking metaphor 4
C 10:07 Well I am no freedom or I have no initiative, no.... creation, no....  
D 10:40 OK, so when you are stuck and you are stopped and there's no progress and you've no freedom've no initiative....If I say to you "Having no freedom is like....." what? Seeking metaphor 5
C 11:00 No freedom?  
D 11:01 Mmmm Encourager
C 11:03 Well... is bored... is eh... I been... limited, you know.  
D 11:22 Yeah, so being limited, what is that like? Seeking metaphor 6
C   (no response)  
D 11:32 Being limited is like being....? Seeking metaphor 7
C 11:35 Being not in control  
D 11:38 OK. So you are not in control.... Clean Language
C 11:40 No in control, freedom I can't's all the same things ... been for too long.... you know....for....  
D 12:02 So what comes to mind when you feel not in control? Seeking metaphor 8
C 12:15 (derisive noise) Objection
D 12:16 You're doing fine, we're getting there. Encourager
C 12:24 I can't know what I really want or what my soul wants, you know?  
D 12:33 So what does it feel like... Seeking metaphor 9
C 12:35 like my karma don't let me progress no more  
D 12:43 And that's like what? Seeking metaphor 10
C 12:49 It's like eh....  
D 12:50 If it was a picture what would it be like? Seeking metaphor 11
C 12:59 Like being in prison, or being in a room where I can't express myself or... Finally! A metaphor. Took 4 minutes.
D 13:12 So it's like being in prison, like being a room where you can't express yourself Restating
C 13:17 Yeah, something... I can't get out... I can't be...... I can't learn new things  
D 13:30 So it's like being in a room, like being in prison where you can't get out and you can't learn new things. Restating
C 13:36 Yes, like I waiting for dying ....cause that is all my life, you know? ... like my evolution is stuck, it is finished, you know? No more progress no more...  
D 13:52 So being in this room is like your evolution is over you are waiting to die, you can't get out and you can't learn new things.... your karma is stuck being in this room. Restating
C 14:05 Yeah  
D 14:05 So, ... Encourager
C 14:06 Like my brain is gone, you know, morale is finito, I burn all my morale...  
D 14:16 Yeah, so what else about this room that you feel stuck in, that you feel is like a prison? Tell me about the room. Developing
C 14:37 Well is like a mood.... is a state of....  
D 14:55 When you feel that you are stuck and you can't get any progress and you have no freedom and no initiative... it's like a room that you can't get out of... what else about that room that you can't get out of ?.... Your mind has told you that it's like a room. How big is this room? Identifying Attributes
C 15:30 A couple of meters.  
D 15:34 So a couple of's a small room. ..... And a room, it's a couple of meters, what else about the room? Developing
C 16:00 No response  
  16:02 And whereabouts is this room? Location
C 16:10 It's in me.  
D 16:12 It's in you. And where about in you? Location
C 16:20 Here, no? (indicates around himself) ... I'm right in the middle.  
D 16:24 So you are in the middle of the room and it's round about you? Restating
C 16:26 Yeah.  
D 16:28 OK. So you are in the middle of a room and you feel it's round about you and it's couple of the room is behind you and in front of you? Restating
C 16:39 Yeah  
D 16:40 And to the side? Location
C 16:40 Yeah  
D 16:42 How deep is that room? Attributes
C 16:48 Just to the floor. From the floor up...  
D 16:51 It goes to the floor. Restating
C 16:53 About a meter high  
D 16:54 So you feel that you are surrounded by a room which is two meters wide and one and a half meter up from the floor...roughly? Restating
C 17:10 (reluctantly)Yeah, a little bit, I mean, Objection
D 17:14 So this room is surrounding you and it's coming up to here (indicates about chest high) Continuing over the objection
C 17:20 Yeah  
D 17:21 And what is it made of? attribute
C 17:27 Like a fence. Switches to main metaphor.
D 17:28 It's like a fence? Restating
C 17:29 Yeah. Like a garden fence.  
D 17:33 So you've got a room that's like a garden fence? Developing
C 17:40 Yes, like a tree surrounded by this fence.  
D 17:43 So it's like a tree surrounded by a fence, yes?.... Tell me more about this fence. Developing
C 17:55 It's a stick, like that (indicates) all around....  
D 18:00 So it's a fence made out of sticks ... what kind of stick? Attributes
C 18:09 Mmm Two inches (indicates width), with a point on it.  
D 18:20 So you feel you are trapped inside this prison, that's made of sticks like a tree with a fence round it... and they are two inches wide and they have points Restatement
C 18:35 Yes, but it is one of perception... I feel.... Objection
D 18:40 That's what we are exploring, the perception. By exploring the perception we will actually be able to explore what is bringing the perception. .....That is the important bit, your mind has brought this up... it actually is a way that you feel. You feel like this and by exploring it, we can actually make headway in changing it...your mind. Reassurance
C 19:07 OK  
D 19:08 And that's the way it works. Your mind did not just invent this just now, this is actually how you feel about it. And you feel yourself surrounded by a fence that's keeping things away. What is the purpose of this fence? Reassurance
C 19:27 Maybe to run... that is the limitation I have to no go outside to a wall... study or learn something new because my life is ... is finished....  
D 19:44 Right, so it's a limitation to stop you going outside that? Purpose
C 19:50 Yeah  
D 19:55 And where did that fence come from? Source
C   mmm  
D 20:09 ...Who made it? Source
C 20:16 Well, probably I make it... all my life with my actions... all my mistakes  
D 20:29 So maybe you made it? ....And what would have to happen for that fence to be broken? Intention
C 20:46 Well, I would need to probably be born again, no? Because it is all my life and my reputation. I carry heavy bags, you know. Mostly in reputation and...  
D 21:12 So you carry heavy bags and you feel that you could not get out of that fence until you get rid of these heavy bags? Restating
C 21:23 In one side, but in another side I reckon I have damage...heavy damage and like I lose... the hope to get out of this.. you know?  
D 21:50 OK, so you've got a fence round you, it's two meters by two meters and you are in the middle like a tree and this fence is made of sticks about two inches wide ... what is holding the sticks together? Attributes
C 22:08 A piece of timber. Made of the same sticks, like a tennis racquet, you know?  
D 22:18 And what colour is this fence? Attributes
C 22:19 White.  
D 22:20 It's a white fence. Restating
D 22:33 And what would you like to have happen to that white fence? Intention
C 22:43 Well I been... been get used to that you know?  
D 22:48 You've got used to it, but what would you like to have happen to that white fence? Intention
C   No response.  
D 22:58 You feel stuck and stopped and you have no progress and you have no freedom, no initiative and it's like you are inside this white fence that's two inches wide with points on it and it's around you back and front it's stopping you doing what you want to do - what would you like to have happen to that fence? Intention
C 23:24 Well I have been get used to live there, you know? I mean because it is a little security for me because this is my world, you know? This is what I know.  
D 23:39 And security.... Developing
C 23:40 It is not the best... but this is my life, no? I can move inside.  
D 23:50 So, you can move inside but you can only move one meter this way and one meter that way. Is that how you want to have your life? Intention
C 24:00 No, but I have been thinking is... this exists ... I use the opportunity .... many chance I mean...I have used probably the opportunity life have to give me ... made my mistakes...look like eh ... you know?  
D 24:24 Right, but you are inside this fence, it's a white fence and it's made of wood, about two inches thick, flat wood and it has wood holding it up ... and this fence is designed to keep you in? To show you your limits ... and you have become comfortable inside this ... What would happen if you were able to go outside the fence? Developing
C 24:58 Well it's like a new territory....I need more confidence....  
D 25:11 And what would that new territory be like? Attributes
C 25:18 mmm  
C 25:24 A new opportunity, a new life, ... (appears to be considering)  
D 25:51 And what else about life outside that fence, what else is there outside that fence?.... You have the fence surrounding you, one and half meters high, what else is outside that fence? If you look through the bars of the fence, what would you see? Developing
C 26:17 Space.....  
D 26:22 Space.... and what else? Developing
C 26:30 New, new thing and .... opportunities  
D 26:38 But what would you see? Attributes
C 26:51 Green?.... green grass....  
  26:55 Uhuh, you'd see green, green grass...What else? Developing
C 27:26 Long pause ....(very quietly)Freedom...  
D 27:32 OK, I'd like you to think about that fence, if you were able to go outside the fence, just for a moment, and look at the fence, you could walk along the outside of it, couldn't you? If you walk along the outside of that fence, what would you see? Look very closely at the fence. What else is there about that fence? Look at how it is made, look at its construction. Attributes
C 28:18 I see like a square (wonderingly)....square fence...the tree in the middle  
D 28:35 There's a tree in the middle, what kind of tree is it? Identifying
C 28:45 This wide, (indicates) maybe five meters high...  
D 28:52 So it's five meters high.... and it's (indicates) this wide? Restating
C 28:39 Yeah  
D 28:40 And what else about that tree? Identifying
C 29:05 Green tree and ... old ... maybe hundred years old...  
D 29:15 So it's a five meter tree, it's a hundred years old... If it is a hundred years old, who planted that tree? Relationships
C 29:30 mmm .....  
D 29:34 Where did that tree come from? Relationships
C 29:50 (Long pause) Was there, no?... was there...  
D 29:53 It was there, so who put the fence round it? Relationships
C 30:15 (Long pause)No idea.  
D 30:20 We have a tree, it has a white fence round it. It's a square fence, and there's grass outside the fence, green grass. What else is inside the fence? Developing
C 30:42 Nothing there but stick for to keep the fence and the tree and grass.  
D 30:50 And there's grass in there. Is there anything else in that grass? Seeking resources
C 30:55 No. No Resource
D 30:58 How deep are these fenceposts? Attributes
C 31:05 About a meter and half.  
D 31:08 No, under the ground. How deep are they? Attributes
C 31:15 They must be twenty....  
D 31:22 Twenty centimetres? Clarification
C 31:23 Yeah  
D 31:27 So the white fence it is two meters wide, one and a half wide, twenty centimetres deep. And how long has the fence been there, if the tree's been there for a hundred years? Attributes
C 31:38 The fence is quite new, maybe ten, five... or ten years old.  
D 31:47 Maybe five or ten years old. And we don't know who put it there. Purpose
C 31:54 No.  
D 31:55 But you feel that you are imprisoned in that fence. Restating
C 32:01 Yeah  
D 32:03 And its five or ten years old. Restating
D 32:15 And what would have to happen to get one of the sticks to come out of that fence? How could one of those sticks come out? Intention
C 32:35 One, umm... with time can do some, can take one wire, with nail, with time the nail can come loose, can take one  
D 32:55 So there's a wire... a nail... So the nail could come loose? Developing
C 33:05 Or one branch can... from the tree  
D 33:12 So a branch could fall... Restating
C 33:13 Not a branch... I see the tree like that (indicates)  
D 33:20 Does this tree have fruit? Seeking resource
C 33:22 No.  
D 33:28 But a nail could give way Developing
C 33:28 Yeah.  
D 33:29 And one of these sticks could fall off? on to the ground? Yeah? Intention
C 33:36 Yes  
D 33:39 And what could cause that nail to give way? Developing
C 33:43 Time.  
D 33:45 Time. Restatement
C 33:46 Then afterward get all rusty and fall out, you know?  
D 33:50 So time could cause a nail to give way and the nail giving way could cause one of these sticks to fall out. Restating
C 34:00 Yes.  
D 34:03 How many nails would have to come out for one side to fall down, if its held by sticks along the way? Developing
C 34:15 Twenty.... at least twenty.  
D 34:18 But if it is made from this and it is held at the ends Attributes
C 34:25 Because for each stick you have one nail...  
D 34:30 But the stick along the top that they are fixed to is only fixed at the ends? If those ones came off, it could fall couldn't it? Developing
C 34:39 Sure.  
D 34:40 So, it's not twenty. Attributes
C 34:41 Yeah. I've been thinking can fall one stick, one, only one, you know? But sure, the one each is tied to, can fall the whole of the fence.  
D 35:01 So, could time do that? Developing
C 35:04 Yes  
D 35:05 So time could make one side of the fence fall down. Intention
C 35:07 Yes.  
D 35:09 And what would happen then? Intention
C 35:17 Then all the nails sides could be destroyed. ...Little by little...  
D 35:25 So they could all fall down? Intention
D 35:30 It would just need time. Restating
C 35:31 Yes  



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